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Dan Quiggle is No Marco Rubio

donnaI knew that it would happen and I would have to respond.

I knew the pundits would compare the recent Florida State Senate District 8 special election to the United State Senate race between former Speaker Marco Rubio and Gov. Charlie Crist. The comparison of course, is faulty.

First, comparing Rubio to Dan Quiggle is like comparing a prize winning racehorse to a Shetland pony. Rubio served 4 terms in the Florida House with two years as speaker. He is charismatic, articulate (and doesn’t need a teleprompter) and is a true conservative. Quiggle on the other hand is totally inexperienced and has a history of misrepresenting his background, and though he is a conservative, many voters have not forgotten how he dishonestly conducted his 2000 Congressional race against Ander Crenshaw.

Secondly, there is no comparison between former Speaker John Thrasher and Charlie Crist. Thrasher is a conservative who long served the people of Florida in the State House. Crist has not long served in any office that he has held and he of course is not a conservative.

The voters of conservative Senate District 8 understand that inexperience is not a good qualification for any job, much less that of a State Senator. Out of four conservative candidates, the voters chose a conservative with the most experience in leadership. Sounds like a smart group of voters to me.

The pundits like to discuss the value of the Tea Party folks to a conservative candidate. It is true a lot of the Tea Party folks are new to the political process, but they are learning fast. For instance, they learned that there will always be someone who will take unfair advantage of what they are trying to accomplish. But, Rubio is the kind of candidate who will earn and maintain their support because of the quality of his character and the sincerity of his message.

However, here is the most important thing the pundits are missing. I have friends who were active in the Senate District 8 race who worked for all four of the candidates. We all have one thing in common. We all support Marco Rubio! We have taken it upon ourselves to get Rubio’s name and message out to everyone we meet.

I am involved in the political process every day of the week and spend my time with the real grassroots. The folks who knock the doors and make the calls. The name we will be speaking in mass for the next 13 months will be Marco Rubio. We will shout it from the rooftops and it will be heard around the world!

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  1. Great editorial Donna!

  2. I have countered most of those criticisms against Mr. Quiggle, and have to many people, but have yet to hear anyone substantively answer my questions or counter my arguments. I believe Dan Quiggle to be among the most sincere conviction politicians I have encountered and was proud to cast my vote for him.

    However, my main objection to this column are the timing and disconnect. Kicking sand in the face of vanquished fellow republicans isn't a positive contribution to the good cause of nominating and electing Marco Rubio.

  3. I find it distasteful that you have to continue to take shots at Mr. Quiggle after the fact and make unsupported attacks on his character. Nine years is an awful long time to hold a grudge.

    Ander Crenshaw is not a "Conservative" anyway. The Times Union editorial board lumped him and his 2008 Democratic challenger Mr. McGovern in 2008 in the "moderate" category. http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/102308/opi_347156576.shtml

    You are not involved in the "grassroots" your are paid by the poltical elite, Chariman Curry and Rep. Crenshaw who have neither publicly praised Speaker Rubio's conservative values nor decried Gov. Crist's moderate meanderings. Will Rep Crenshaw demonstrate true courage like Rep. Brown-Waite?

  4. I am so glad that Donna in her infinite wisdom knew this would happen and would have to write a opinion piece to inform us.

    No, really I'm actually not. Its funny how often you misrepresent Dan in this article. First and foremost your article proves how you are another establishment hack who can not look objectively at anything.

    I think you miss the point where the Republican Party is at a cross roads in that we need new leadership, not more of the same. The party has a problem with the good old boy establishment which needs to go away. The party has people claiming the mantle of conservatism and getting elected and become RINOs.

    I see this as a reasonable comparison between Quiggle and Rubio.

    Another point you are wrong in is when you say Dan misrepresented himself and his past service to the post-presidency Reagan office. Another hack talking point which is untrue.

    And how Dan does not have the interest of the Tea Party people in mind and is an opportunist? YOU ARE DEAD WRONG. Dan has been a movement conservative and has fought against high taxes, and has spoken for conservative groups such as the Heritage Foundation and the Leadership Institute for years.

    It is establishment hacks like you who will help to deter future new leaders from getting into this party. And fact check next time you write an article.

  5. Is this rubbish coming from the same woman who draws a taxpayer funded salary from Ander Crenshaw, works against certain Republican candidates in the primary races, all the while being in a paid staffer position with the local party? I'm sorry but this just reeks of improprieties and your opinion holds no credibility with me. I like Marco Rubio just as much as the next guy but would not dream of kicking another Republican that has nothing to do with the US Senate race while he is down.

  6. Kevin, thanks for being a WARRIOR for values! It was great working with you!

    It completely baffles me that PAID Republican Party of Florida STAFFERS are being allowed to campaign FOR and AGAINST candidates that are ALL Republicans. They allowed Thrasher to rent space in the RPOF buildings. They said nothing when Thrasher staffers were blatantly breaking campaign laws. They tried to belittle Dan's effort as they helped Thrasher fight for his win - and yet they act as if they won honorably. How can these same people expect conservatives to be a part of the REC in Duval and work together as a unit?

    I worked hard on the McCain Campaign. I am helping on Rubio's Bakers and others, as well. AND I am sick and tired of the in-fighting within the Republican party.

    It is stuff like this article which fuels the divisiveness... and does nothing to bring the party together.

  7. Of course Dan Quiggle is not Marco Rubio. Rubio has even less substance.

  8. I find it distasteful that you have to continue to take shots at Mr. Quiggle after the fact and make unsupported attacks on his character. Nine years is an awful long time to hold a grudge.

    Ander Crenshaw is not a “Conservative” anyway. The Times Union editorial board lumped him and his 2008 Democratic challenger Mr. McGovern in 2008 in the “moderate” category.

    You are not involved in the “grassroots” your are paid by the poltical elite, Chariman Curry and Rep. Crenshaw who have neither publicly praised Speaker Rubio’s conservative values nor decried Gov. Crist’s moderate meanderings. Will Rep Crenshaw demonstrate true courage like Rep. Brown-Waite?

  9. Speaking for the Republican Party of Duval County leaders, we applaud every Republican candidate for their hard work and dedication to the process. Each candidate put out untold hours and dollars to acheive their dream and the right to represent us. Unfortunately, only one emerges the victor. My hat is off to all of the candidates.

  10. Dan Quiggle lost because when it comes to public elections "the machine" is still a little stronger than those of us who makeup the "principles first" grassroots . However, I believe there is a sea change taking place in Florida and America.

    The RPOF's recent "Party Purge" of those demanding accounatbility in the Party demonstrates just how nervous "the machine" is about this new group of grassroots activists.

    Thrasher represents the old guard "status quo" where expereince in spending, passing lots of legislation and having inside politcal connections is seen as good thing. Dan Quiggle represents those who see the insanity of electing the same type of politicians and expecting different results.

    Dan will be back and so will we...

    • Does "demanding accounatbility [sic] in the Party" include urging for an Obama presidency? Isn't that what you and Will Pitts did and were removed for? I believe the email was titled "for liberty to survive in America Obama must win."

      The party is not afraid of you! The party will continue to remove those who engage in activities that damage the party. This is just the first wave!

      • GOPGAL -

        Those who actually know Will Pitts and I know just how absurd your comment sounds. It is a shame you don't.

        By the way - if you look at what is happening in our country - the rise of the RLC, Tea Parties, the 9/12 March on Washington that e-mail title may just prove to be somewhat profiund. : )

      • "gopgal" - I have witnessed you post other negative and inaccurate comments about me and others involved in the Republican Liberty Caucus - but you never identify yourself. Is there a reason why you will not attach your name to any of your comments?

      • The people associated with the Tea Parties and 9/12 ARE NOT the same crazy people associated with the RLC.

        Apparently, the RLC is willing to promote a socialist like Obama to further their cause. So we can thank the RLC for cap and trade, government run health care and a number of other extreme left wing bills that may ruin our country!

        Thank God the RPOF plans to remove every single member of the RLC in these grievance meetings. I cannot wait to see who will join the list of banned crazy people! I have been assured that by 2012 you all will be gone!

      • Gopgal,

        Your facts are very much off-base. The RLC did not promote Obama. The RLC does not promote cap and trade. In fact, the RLC was out in force at the AFP Hot Air Event and working with Dan Quiggle to STOP Cap and Trade. The RLC is not for government run healthcare. The RLC stands for LESS government, free markets, and individual liberty - how can we be for socialized healthcare? Please, read the RLC principles before making such claims.

        Additionally, I would think you would hope that the RLC is still around in 2012. Running off your strongest grassroots partners will not help win elections.

        Lastly, I was in Tallahassee when Thrasher was lobbying to raise taxes. Dan Quiggle, the RLC, Americans for Prosperity, and the Concerned Taxpayers of Duval County were in Tallahassee trying to get a cap on government spending. I know what Quiggle was for (lower taxes). I know what Thrasher was for (lobbying for gov't officials to have open access to your tax dollars). How? I was there and heard it with my own ears.

        Finally, it is wonderful that the Duval REC has passed a Statement of Principles. The RLC and the REC statement of principles reads almost identically. Looks like we should be working together instead of all this absurd fighting.

      • I never heard or saw anything about an Obama email from the RLC. But I did hear something this past weekend that disturbed me and I would like to know if it is really true. I was told that the RLC had a chance to help vote Jim Greer out as chairman of the RPOF and they changed their votes at the last minute and kept Greer in power. Is that true??? If so, that is extremely disturbing.

      • Hi Valerie,

        That is not entirely true. We WERE supporting Mark Cross for State Chairman, but Mark backed out (last moment) and tossed his support behind Greer after Greer promised to work with the RLC.

        That was obviously not true seeing how the grievance hearings went.

        -Kimberly

      • "Thank God the RPOF plans to remove every single member of the RLC in these grievance meetings. I cannot wait to see who will join the list of banned crazy people! I have been assured that by 2012 you all will be gone!"

        So... "gopgal." What you are telling all of us, everyone reading this article, is that anyone who joins the RLC is going to be removed in a grievance? So you're admitting that grievances will be created not based on any real facts, but simply fabricated in order to remove members of an organization so as to make the establishment members of the party more comfortable with their position? This is how the party works now? You silence voices of dissent by removing them from the party?

        Thank you for openly admitting to what we all knew. The grievances were a sham, created by people to oust those whom they disagree with.

      • no that is not what I am saying. I am saying it is clear from the internet that many many people in the RLC are working against the GOP. That violated the rules!!! Anyone violating the rules should be removed.

        No one is forcing you guys to campaign for Obama or against Republicans. You choose to do that. If the RPOF doesn't remove people who are undermining the Republican voters, then they should be removed. I am hoping they do have the courage to continue to go after you guys, and many believe they will. However one thing is perfectly clear, anyone who doesn't want to standby and watch you break the rules can file a grievance against you. That is something I am confident will happen because it is our right! We are tired of you bullies!

      • I find that absolutely hilarious. I've never campaigned for Obama, and the only time I've campaigned "against Republicans" was when I was helping a Republican in a primary, which is all well and good, right? Also, I'm open to putting my name on my comments, because I have nothing to hide, unlike you. See, I've found your comments across the web, and if you ever stopped hiding like a coward and openly posted your name, you would find a grievance *and* likely a libel lawsuit pressed against you. Easier to hide from the truth and its consequences, though, right? Of course.

        The Republican voters are losing right now because of the RPOF leadership working against them. Look at the polls in so many RECs across the state. Rubio, Rubio, Rubio. Yet the RPOF leadership is working to push Crist through, and ram him through regardless of what the voters want. You don't care about the voters; you care about the establishment power base and your part of it. For that, you'll do anything, and you'll do it with anonymity because you have not the moral fortitude or courage to apply your name to your deeds.

        I put my name out for all to see, because I am proud of what I am doing to help the Republican Party and America at large. Come and stop me, if you will. You know who I am and you know where to find me.

      • Thanks for explaining that Kimberly. I hope the RLC has learned their lesson...."fool me once, uh, I won't get fooled again" :)

      • Valerie -

        Believe me there were a lot of disappointed and angry RLCers and Ron Paul supporters due to Mr. Cross endorsing Jim Greer. I was one of them and let Mark know directly.

        We are a big movement and we can't (nor do we try) to control the actions of our members. (That's an RPOF tactic). : )

  11. The establishment Republicans viciously attacked Dan Quiggle because they knew that he would break the ranks and fight corruption and not work within it. Thrasher is certainly willing to keep the establishment happy by working as part of the problem. I think real conservatives are starting to realize that if we keep the same folks in office we will continue to get the same corrupt government. Time will tell.

  12. As long as Thrasher wants to favor the insurance industry at the expense of Floridians. We will be there. If Thrasher thinks he can help evil trump good he is sadly mistaken. Maybe when a child is denied life saving medicine by the insurance industry folks can stand around and say thats just a shame but the insurance company profits were higher than expected. Maybe the prolife crowd can rationalize it some way because it is everybit the same thing as an abortion. Maybe Thrasher will decide to focus on real issues facing Northeast Florida and not chase his insurance profit agenda. Only time will tell but one thing is certain. The justice system will not run and hide, it will stand and fight for what is moral and right.

  13. What the Rubio campaign will learn from this election is that when the GOP establishment machine gets behind a candidate it is difficult to prevail regardless of principles.

    It is abundantly clear that the GOP "insiders" are firmly behind Christ NOT Rubio. Just as establishment party leaders try to crowd out competition needed in primaries for the governor's race and state senate race, the US Senate will be no different.

    I predict that Rubio will fold after what just happened here and that will be sad. Hopefully he will see this thing out all the way through realizing that those of us who love freedom will follow him all the way regardless of the odds.

    Dan is a fantastic conservative and slandering this man further (after stalking his family and the late nigh robo-calls) is a disgrace. When will the GOP establishment stop eating its young?

  14. I DONT CARE HOW MUCH MONEY CRIST HAS... THE REPUBLICAN VOTERS ARE ALL BEHIND MARCO RUBIO AND VOTES COUNT! CRIST IS DONE! GO TO http://WWW.MARCORUBIO.COM AND DONATE LIBERAL CRIST OUT!

    CRIST=RINO RUBIO=REAGAN!

  15. The problem with our party is the group that advertises itself as the "true","most" "undeniable" "ardent" "champion" and all the other BS adjectives modifying CONSERVATIVE. Dispense with that crap and focus on the issues. It shouldn't matter if the candidate is a doctor, lawyer or candlestick maker. What should matter is the focus and position that they have on education, economy, jobs, taxes. If there is a "trial lawyer" that runs for office but is intelligent and understands the issues and focuses on the constituents then why has the party vilified that candidate and continued to do the insurance industries bidding. I know several attorneys that do trial work and they are very bright people. They help their clients who have been legitimately injured or killed by other people being idiots, undoubtedly the culprits were occassionally flaming liberal democrats and conservative champion drunk drivers. What is wrong with that? I'm not talking about the TV attorneys I am talking about the real attorney's and real cases. It would be about as fair to compare one of these fly by night insurance companies with St Farm or Allstate. Nonetheless our party continues to pal around with these ignorant big mouths and this will further damage our ability to elect the most qualified republican. It is the continuation of the dumbing down of the party and the legislature. Maybe we need a few experianced attorneys in the legislature that have enough sense and training to write understandable legislation without the virtual certainty of being thrown out because it was so ambiguous and poorly written. I can assure you that Don Brewer would be ashamed of our party and what has happened with the leadership.

  16. All of this talk about the machine is why I don't participate in party politics. The voters spoke in a Republican Primary. Why can't you conspriracy people get that through your thick heads. IT was the Voters my friends not some MACHINE.

    • True, but to ignore the influence of money, the party structure, and the inside polictical connections on the voters is naive. And to not participate in party politics because you "don't like it" probably does little to help change that.

      It's not much of a conspiracy - it's pretty much right out there in the open.

  17. The problem with our party is the group that advertises itself as the “true”,”most” “undeniable” “ardent” “champion” and all the other BS adjectives modifying CONSERVATIVE. Dispense with that rhetoric and focus on the issues.

    It shouldn't’t matter if the candidate is a doctor, lawyer or candlestick maker. What should matter is the focus and position that they have on education, economy, jobs, taxes. If there is a “trial lawyer” that runs for office but is intelligent and understands the issues and focuses on the constituents then why has the party vilified that candidate and continued to do the insurance industries bidding.

    I know several attorneys that do trial work and they are very bright people. They help their clients who have been legitimately injured or killed by other people being idiots, undoubtedly the culprits were occasionally flaming liberal democrats and conservative champion drunk drivers. What is wrong with that? I’m not talking about the TV attorneys I am talking about the real attorney’s and real cases. It would be about as fair to compare one of these fly by night insurance companies like Florida No Fault or Brightstar with State Farm or Allstate.

    Nonetheless, our party continues to pal around with these ignorant big mouths and this will further damage our ability to elect the most qualified republicans. It is the continuation of the dumbing down of the party and the legislature. Maybe we need a few experienced attorneys in the legislature that have enough sense and training to write understandable legislation without the virtual certainty of being thrown out because it was so ambiguous and poorly written.

    I can assure you that Don Brewer would be ashamed of our party and what has happened with the leadership.

    • Great Reply Justice.

      I agree with your statement about "the dumbing down of the party and the legislature".

      Those Republicans interested in elevating, rather than dumbing down our party should consider joining the Republican Liberty Caucus (www.RLCNEF.org)

  18. Here's what I do not understand about the GOP. This topic has been touched on by several others already, but why is it that the GOP often seems to attack and abandon its own. As an outside observer (I live in GA), I am struggling to find the point of this entire article. Why would you attack a member of your own party? What's the point of singling out one candidate of four who participated in the Republican primary?

    I have seen this type of behavior up close and personal in the ordeal with Gov. Mark Sanford in neighboring South Carolina. A vast majority of the state Republicans signed a petition asking Sanford to step down even BEFORE a state ethics commission had finished its investigation.

    P.S. I am making no comparisons of Mark Sanford's behavior to anyone's mentioned in this article.

    I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat, but within the Democratic party, this article or any like it wouldn't happen. The Democratic party is a cohesive unit that protects its own in adversity and the Republican party should do the same. The message that is sent by this article is one that represents a lack of unity in the party.

    Plus, what does not using a teleprompter have to do with anything?

    • inter-party warfare is not new to either party. If you think that the Democratic party is anything resembling a cohesive unit, I have a bridge to sell you in London.

      The Republicans have three major factions, Centrists, "True" Conservatives, and Libertarian-leaning republicans.

      The Democrats are a weird alliancs of union dems, conservative southerners, hippies, radical greens, radical womens libers, socialists, radical minority rights folks, radical gay rights folks, etc.

      It is a biiiig lefty umbrella group and they all generally hate each other, driven by GREATER hate of the guy on the other side.

      The presidents gift has been to covince all of these interests that he is working for each of them individually. That gives the appearance of unity, but as soon as they figure out he does not intend to accomplish their agenda, they will go back to the Anarchy that has chacterized the modern Dem party.

  19. If I were John Thrasher or Marco Rubio, or even Ander Crenshaw for that matter, I would be absolutely embarrassed that someone who is out representing my name would write an article of this nature. I seriously doubt any of these men would condone the conduct displayed here and none of them would be proud of kicking another man when he is down, no matter who it is they defeated.

    Donna, I don't know if you have ever competed in anything in your life... but you need a serious lesson on sportsmanship and respect. Your behavior is immature and distasteful. If you think you are doing any service to Rubio, Thrasher, or Crenshaw by acting like this, you, my friend, are mistaken. No one wants to join the team of an arrogant winner.

    I guess we can add this article to the ever-lengthening list of embarrassing moves made by big-mouths representing the GOP. With this editorial, Donna has effectively brought further joy to all of the liberals out there celebrating our self destruction. Thanks, Mrs. Barrow... you're a real champ!

  20. Is this the only person Austin could find to spout their worthless opinion????

    The Jax Observer is better than this garbage.

  21. I am amazed. Simply amazed. This is what the Republican Party is reduced to? Your candidate won, but that's not enough. You must seek to attack one of the losing candidates, and use libelous comments in the process.

    Thrasher is not a conservative. We all know it. He is "moderate" at best, and we shouldn't just settle for "moderate." That's what led to Obama's election. Those of you who want to blame the RLC or anyone else should look inward. It was you who elected Obama. The Republican Party of Duval County elected Obama. The Republican Party of Florida elected Obama. Jim Greer championed Obama. The Republican National Committee championed Obama.

    You attack Dan Quiggle on experience but wanted to put a woman who was just barely into her first term as governor in as a heartbeat away from running the most powerful nation in the world? Really? And now some of you want her to be president, after quitting because things were too tough? You call RLC people "crazy" and wanted to elect a woman who said our war in Iraq was a "mission from God?"

    I find it ironic and laughable that anyone associated with the tea parties might attempt to call anyone else "crazy." After all, these were the events where the signs were so bad that they got our local Republican chairman some infamy nationwide. In the meantime, while shouting "FREEDOM!," all voices of dissent were systematically removed from the event, even those that didn't necessarily disagree. Of course, we know that the tea parties were never real activism. They were planned and staged. There is nothing "spontaneous" about them. And they're not even a new idea. The Ron Paul campaign did it back in 2007.

    So, I just want to make sure I have this straight. Ms. Barrow, and the rest of you who side with her opinions, are of the belief that it is best to continue moving the Republican Party further to the left in an effort to siphon off Democrat voters. Never mind that it hasn't worked yet, it's only lost Republican voters. Never mind that it's that leftist agenda that America is sick of, even (or especially) when Republicans are the ones promoting that agenda. It's okay to throw our values out the window for some remote chance we'll win, right?

    Wrong. And you just got slapped hard in the face with that reality in 2006 and 2008.

    You will not magically win 2010 on the anger of the people alone. Even if Republicans win, if they've learned nothing then they will just lose again, and this time it will be more permanent. We will lose not only our positions in the Legislative Branch, we will lose our relevancy. And that will begin the slow death of the Republican Party. "Victory" at the cost of the party's existence... is it really worth it?

    I'm shocked and appalled. This is what our party has to offer? Vitriol and naivety? Really?

    It's no wonder we're losing, and will continue to lose.

    • Just to add to what Erik said, as a precinct committee person I was told I could NOT speak for Dan Quiggle-
      Meanwhile our leadership was not only speaking for John Thrasher but was on his payroll!!

      Interesting that Donna did not disclose her paid position on John Thrasher campaign in this attack piece on Dan.

      • Donna was a volunteer, not a paid staffer and while she is employeed by Congressman Crenshaw, she volunteered after her job was done on her own free time. Unlike certain State Committeeman who abused the power of his position to email blast Nassau County and urge a vote for Quiggle.

      • She is also a paid REC staffer, meaning it is inappropriate for her to be involved in any Republican Primary campaign unless an endorsement has been made. This also includes her work for Ander Crenshaw because he is consistently campaigning due to 2 year terms and he has Republican opposition this time.

        People are probably confused about her being a volunteer and not a paid staffer because she shows up on the Thrasher expense report for reimbursement.

        Also, Doug Adkins is a good guy and was merely a counter-force to all of the GOP insiders that were actively supporting and pushing Thrasher.

      • Thrasher staffer,

        I find it ironic that you have a problem with an elected official( Doug Adkins) supporting Quiggle in the primary and classify it as an abuse of power, when John Thrasher's whole campaign was based on endorsements by current and past elected officials. So tell us, were Congressman Crenshaw, Mayor Peyton and other elected officials who campaigned for Thrasher also abusing their power? Or is it that you are just bitter that Janet Adkins wouldn't accept accept lobbyist John Thrasher's gambling money during her campaign last year?

      • Kristi,

        Who told you not to speak for Dan Quiggle because of your position as a precinct committee person? Clearly you're allowed to speak for whatever candidate you wish to.

      • Austin,
        Laura Brockman and Donna both told me that as an REC member I could not speak for Dan. Laura told me that AT the REC meeting when Wes Marsh was standing right there and then again at the First Coast Republican club.

        And "Thrasher Staffer" if Donna was not PAID by Thrasher, why is she on his expense report? either she was reimbursed (volunteers are NOT) or she was paid, either way as an PAID REC staffer she should NOT have openly campaigned for a candidate.

      • It seems to me that there's a lot of disinformation going on, typically being spread by people who would promote a double-standard that benefits them. I think we need to clean up this disinformation and close these double standards. The same rules should apply to everyone... even if it means we're completely throwing the rulebook out the window, as certain people did. This is especially vital where we have instances going on of people filing frivolous grievances using "rules violations" to try to remove people from positions within the party. Once such a thing begins, especially under the banner of "following the rules," then tighter standards should be placed to follow the rules as they are written, especially for anyone in an official position - paid or even simply elected - within the party. Otherwise, we run a very strong risk of allowing injury to come to the party when outsiders note the hypocrisy running rampant.

      • I was at the August REC meeting and also heard Kristi being told that she broke rules to speak for Dan. She also seemed to be kept to a very short time-frame whilst John Thrasher far exceeded the minutes allowed to "speak for a candidate."

        It was an obvious double standard. Thrasher was allowed to exceed the allotted time. He was also thanked and clapped for. Kristi spoke for Dan but was reminded to "keep it short"...she was rushed. Then afterward she was told that as a precinct committeewoman, she was not allowed to speak for a candidate. The audience listening were suddenly diverted into whispered reactions about why that was - her commentary about Dan nearly forgotten over this public chastising.

      • That's interesting - I honestly have no clue what the rules are though I kind of assumed that only candidates were allowed to address the group.

        Is the issue that you believed you were not allowed to openly support and work for a candidate - or that you were not allowed to speak to various groups as a stand-in for that candidate?

        "she was reimbursed (volunteers are NOT)"

        If you used your credit card to buy 10 pizzas for Dan Quiggle volunteers making phone calls, and then the campaign paid you back for those pizzas... you would be a volunteer who was reimbursed. That doesn't make you a paid staffer or official representative of the campaign. You just allowed your credit card to be used to buy pizza.

        (Having said this - I have no clue what the reimbursements were exactly, this is just an example that I've personally faced on other campaigns)

      • Kristi asked if she could speak for Dan, and was told she could.

        As an REC member, unfortunately, the loyalty oath pretty much *does* forbid you from publicly supporting one Republican against another in a primary - that is, helping them, speaking for them, endorsing them, etc. - unless the local REC specifically says so (and typically they have to get the okay from the RPOF). In this case, there was no such endorsement for a candidate from the DCREC (as there shouldn't have been).

        It's a silly rule, I'll admit, but the rules have been used lately to selectively target certain people, and in this case were used - once again - in a double standard sort of way. My preference would be to remove all such rules and let a primary be a primary, let people back who they will. In the end, we do more harm by trying to promote a "speak no evil" mentality that can be easily used to claim the RP is "against free speech" than we would by allowing Republican candidates to run as hard a race as possible against each other to ensure that we truly have the best candidate possible running in the general election.

      • Erik,

        I've read the rules and I don't see anywhere that it says REC members cannot support Republicans in a Republican primary... that would be absurd since REC members are at the core of most Republican primary campaigns.

        It does limit members from supporting anyone other than a Republican in a partisan election, a Registered Republican running in a nonpartisan election, etc...

        It seems like this has gotten blown out of all proportion. Good people worked on all four of these campaigns.

        Hopefully we can put this all behind us an unite as Republicans for 2010...

  22. Hey! This is good stuff! Get some chips, sit back and enjoy the show.

    Hate the dems, fellow repubs, and the list goes on and on. "If you're not with me you're against me." That's how the party.....oops! I said party. I meant Political Union works nowadays right?
    The tears....it's just too much.

    Really....the only people with enough credibility to knock a candidate who's just lost an election are those who've actually won a few elections.

    Back to this "Political Worker's Union Party" thing. The party system has become unionized. Has nothing to do with the Constitution or allegiance to it. It has to do with pledging allegiance to the party and their leaders. THEY pick...not the voters. Silly voter. You thought you had a choice? Really? How does that feel?

    ALL elections are tried and manipulated in advance by back room deals. A few get through the machine, most don't. It's never done by actual leadership but leadership never condemns the practice even though they know it goes on.

    "Winning is an ALL THE TIME THING. We don't win once in a while...blah blah blah" So when I asked the simple question, "Winning at what price?" I was accused of working against party leadership. That was fun.

    Now we know the price. Ethics. Got two with problems. Ethics. Oh don't get me wrong. GREAT guys with long fantastic careers in leadership.....with questionable ethics. But hey, that's okay. Those ethic things get in the way anyway right? Someone said it takes 20 years to build a reputation and only 5 minutes to destroy it. Franklin? I wish we still thought that way today. Ah, whatever. Franklin was an old bag anyway and what did he know about honor and integrity?

    • Richard Pait, we allow pretty nearly unedited comments on this site, but I've had to make a couple of short edits to your last remark.

      Your accusations that one of the posters above was actually GOP Committeewoman Cindy Graves appears to be false.

      Some people who comment on these types of sites choose to remain anonymous, and I intend to respect that. However, as an administrator I can track and view IP addresses and so I can tell you that I strongly doubt the poster you pointed out is actually Cindy. In fact, whenever Cindy does choose to comment on an article, she's always done it under her full and real name.

      Let's please try to avoid the personal attacks and insults -- particularly when the target is not associated with this thread in any way.

      • Wow. Thanks for the edit buddy. I know you only have my welfare in your best interest and I certainly appreciate that. What would I do without you?

        Just to clarify.....what part of what I said was actually an "attack or an insult?" I keep getting them confused with these politicians.

        One more point....which seems a bit pointless. If you can view IP addresses why do you have to "strongly doubt" about Cindy's and gopgal's IP addresses?

        How does my comment "appear to be false?" Isn't it correct or incorrect to say she either is or is not gopgal especially since you have access to the IP addresses?

        I connected vicious and hateful remarks made to me by cindy graves personally to the same comments "word for word" by gopgal. If cindy isn't gopgal she's in communication with her/him/it constantly. How does that "appear to be false?"

        questions rock.

      • Richard, the IP addresses don't match, it's not Cindy Graves. You have the wrong person, that's all I'm trying to tell you.

      • I'll step up in here and say that I am nearly 100% certain (hey, you can never really be 100% certain of anything on the Internet) that it's not Cindy Graves, for reasons that I won't disclose here (out of respect for her).

        I have my suspicion as to who it is, but if they choose to hide behind anonymity because they can't back their statements, so be it.

  23. Ok folks, this debate has gotten very heated and somewhat personal. Can we try to adjust the tone or I will close the comments on here.

  24. Austin I agree but this is just classic old style Republican stuff. After all the entire senate election was regarding "trial lawyers". Never once did Quiggle or Thrasher discuss the issues that face Northeast Florida or the rest of the State for that matter. Only Graham and Jordan ran clean campaigns and discussed the issues. They lost and the top two vote getters were the ones in the mud bucket.

  25. They all pick on a good man.

    They are the establishment.

    They are afraid to lose the power that they think is even relevant.

    Lets move on, this debate is lame. The author of this article will be dead in 30 years (God willing) and wont have to deal with the crisis spineless Republicans put on our table.

    She talks about Rubio, but like half the Reps. they wont back Rubio a year from now when their party masters come calling.

    Republicans need to stand on principal... conservative principals.... not the cool ones Crist, Greer, and the establishment throw down our throats...

    • "Most people prefer to believe their leaders are just and fair even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which they live is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of a corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one’s self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all."
      -- Michael Rivero

      Cindy, I apologize for believing you were gopgal. I'm sorry. Now we know for sure it's not you and that make me happy long time. I guess we all get accused of being what we're not. It's hard to tell when we don't know all the facts and don't have access to the scenes behind the curtain. We just assume and come to false conclusions. I'm not afraid to be wrong and I'm not afraid to apologize. So I'm sorry and I'm glad we were able to clear you from this vile and hateful person.

      I think this is a nice way to end this.

      Thanks for flying Austin Airlines, we hope you enjoyed your flight. Buh Bye.

  26. Getting the Discussion Back on Point

    The big story of the N FL state senate race (District 8 Republican primary) is that insider candidate, former speaker John Thrasher, got so few votes (35%), even with the endorsement of heavyweights like former Governor Jeb Bush, Rep. Ander Crenshaw and the NRA. With that kind of support, one would have expected Thrasher to easily get over 50% of the vote.

    Dan Quiggle, the candidate supported by the Republican Party’s conservative minority (individual liberty, limited government, fiscal responsibility), came in with a strong showing of 22% of the votes, even though the Party intentionally failed to provide an impartial, level playing field during a primary as required by Party rules. For example, Republican Executive Committee (REC) members improperly endorsed Thrasher and did campaign work for him at county party headquarters.

    The big question and future story is whether divorce is imminent. Will the conservative minority leave the Republican Party to join forces with a third party or will they stay? The continuing systematic purging of the conservative minority leadership from the Republican Party clubs and RECs by Republican Party of Florida Chairman Jim Greer under the new Florida Statute 103.161 could successfully drive those who believe in free speech and fair play from the Party.

    When will the conservative minority have had enough?

    (reprinted from my commentary and opinion newsletter, 12th and Main)

    • Good Post Jean.

      I hope there are enough rank and file Republicans that are smart enough to realize that if they continue to reject & alienate this new young and energized movement - the party will continue to lose.

      There is enough common ground to co-exist and benefit each other.

    • Slight correction... Thrasher actually got a little over 39% of the vote and Quiggle got a bit more than 27% of the vote... the other two candidates essentially tied with about 17% each.

  27. RON PAUL SUCKS.

  28. To: Ron Paul Sucks

    Why?

    Your post is incomplete.

  29. Sometimes people Suck. Ron Paul is one of those people. He is a racist too.....

  30. Is this the Republican Party? Seems like it is the UFC or Professional wrestling. You folks are putting on a good show!

    • Nonsense. What Americans need is more debate and more sunshine on government.

      Republican factions actually talking to each other and perhaps finding common ground to unite could result in a formidable force needed to defeat the Marxism threatening the nation.

      • You're right Jean Wallis it is wonderful just read below. The factions talking to eachother is outstanding. I am looking forward to the "perhaps finding common ground to unite" part of your statement. By the way it is Marxist not Marxism. For Pete's sake get an exorcism!

  31. As I read Ms Barrows article, I concluded that she answered some accusations that were directed at John Thrasher. I find it adolecent that someone would accuse a person and not expectsome type of rebuttal. Neither Ms. Barrows employment status, nor her REC postion are germane to the issues of her opinions. They are in fact; her opinions.

    If any Quiggle supporters have ever spoken out publically about another Republican in a way that includes personal opinions or conclusions, those Quiggle supporters have no gravitas in the charge that Ms. Barrows should not have published her opnions. As for Will Pitts, I thought he wasn't a member of the REC- so whats there to complain about?

  32. Actually, "Rabid Elephant," they are very relevant to the statement of her opinions. According to the same arguments used to oust Will and John, she is not allowed to voice her opinions if they attack another Republican. That's the RPOF's stance, per this "loyalty oath" they required every REC member to sign, and I sincerely doubt that they would not make sure that people in positions such as Ms. Barrows' have to sign the very same oath.

    And I think we've already done a nice job of taking apart her opinions, but if you'd like me to reiterate why she is wrong, I can do so.

    Oh, and I'd also like to point out that using handles online to hide your real name because you can't make a valid argument and seek only to slander others is, well, quite adolescent.

  33. Mr Setzer, My annonymity is allowable. My points are as well. 1. Ms. Barrows was answering accusation made against Thrasher. 2. It is reasonable to expect rebuttal when accusing someone. 3. Her employment status doesn't preclude her from having an opinion- especially if she presents that opinion within the parameters allowed by her employer. 4. Neither does her membership in the DCREC. I saw no Ad Homenim attacks on Dan Quiggle. There is a difference between analysis and attack. SInce the Republican base is the most likely to vote in special elections, it's reasonable to assume that many did remember the campaign to replace Congressman Crenshaw. While Quiggle supporters may not appreciate the conclusions, they were not attacks. Had she conpared Quiggle to a jacksass, there would have been some validity to the claim. 5. Ms. Barrow did attempt to soften any (or expected) offence by drawing attention to the grassroot support of Speaker Rubio. 7. Anyone who's publically attacked another Republican- while being a Republican still has no gravitas in their complain about Ms Barrows opinions. Why? Because it's a textbook example of hypcrisy. You see, my points were quite valid, and the antithesis of the adolescent (thank you Ms. Wells) diatribe recorded in these many post.

    In spite of your emotional proclamation, my opinion doesn't slander others, nor do my points fall short of validity.

  34. Congrats on your recent enrollment in Philosophy 101. Hopefully you have a few more vocab words you have learned and can share with us. Ms. Barrow's position as paid staff for the Republican party most certainly does preclude her from having an opinion in a Republican primary. Secondly, if you knew what an ad hominem attack was, you would see that this op-ed is full of them and the entire premise of the op-ed is an ad hominem attack. Lastly, the claim of dishonesty on Quiggle's part has been addressed several times in several different venues. Continuing to further perpetuate this argument is dishonest in itself.

    • Congratulations for exemplifying the very attribute that causes many Qiggle supporters so much trouble. I read the article, I know the definition of Am homenim, and still saw NONE in the article. Your proclomation that the entire article fits that definition cause me to wonder if you have a clear understanding of the word.
      The reality is you've not refuted one point that I set out, nor have you illustrated why they are not reasonable.

      Once again, we see emotionalism disguising itself as reason, and it falls far, far short of its intended goal. Thank you for illustrating the difference between the two.

      You should change your name from "disbelief" to "uniformed". It seems to fit you better.

      • OK, now you are just trolling. Nobody could be that bad.

      • Disbelief says:
        OK, now you are just trolling. Nobody could be that bad.

        Clarification: "I can't refute your points, so I'll just make "you" the issue instead."

        Congratulations for illustrating that intelligence supercedes emotion when conversing about facts.

        . . .and you've yet to refute any of the points I've made.