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Kristi Dunn: Thrasher Needs to Correct Greer’s Mistakes

Editorial by Kristi Dunn, RLCNEF

To some the arrest of former Republican Party of Florida (RPOF) Chairman, Jim Greer, may have come as a surprise. However, to some of us who have been fighting corruption within the RPOF, it was an absolution of our concerns and warnings.

As members of the Republican Liberty Caucus (RLC), we often find ourselves in opposition to those within the party, because we stand for consistency and accountability. The RLC is a coalition of traditional conservatives and liberty-minded Republicans working within the Republican Party to promote individual liberty, less government and state and national sovereignty. We advocate for strict adherence to the United States Constitution in accordance with the original intentions of its framers. One thing that differentiates us from most conventional Republican clubs is that we are not afraid to hold our elected officials accountable and to point the finger at our own party in an effort to keep those who represent us, principle-oriented and value-driven.

Because of that stance, under Chairman Greer, local RLCer’s John Stevens and Will Pitts were removed from their positions in the Republican Party of Florida. While the grievances filed against them stated that they were attempting to disparage the Republican Party, they were actually seeking to remind others that, while to some it may seem that the Republican Party has lost its way, it was still the place for the conservative message.

The RLC has stood in opposition to Jim Greer since the 2008 election season. At that time, Greer began to threaten RLC members who were questioning his actions in the chairman position. This hostility extended into some of the local executive committees, including the St. Johns County Republican Executive Committee (SJCREC).

In 2008, John Stevens ran for state committeeman within the SJCREC. However, a week prior to the election, Stevens agreed to step down from his candidacy in return for an agreement with the SJCREC to stop their own ongoing harassment of RLC members who were calling for closer scrutiny within the RPOF.

In 2009, the agreement made by the SJCREC was proven to be meaningless, as the SJCREC moved to file grievances against Pitts and Stevens for their outspoken roles in calling for accountability within the party.

Greer, having the sole discretion to choose how to handle the grievances, removed every RLC member who’d had a grievance filed against them from around the state, as well as other members of the RPOF.

Shortly after this purge, others finally began to heed the warnings of the RLC and began examining Greer’s dealings closer. Finally in December 2009, after months of investigations, and mounting evidence of Greer’s corruption as chairman, members of the RPOF State Committee and several donors called for a meeting in early January 2010 to vote to remove Greer from RPOF.

With a vacancy for the chairmanship, John Thrasher appeared as a likely successor. However, in order to be eligible to run for this position, Senator Thrasher needed a seat on the state committee.  The SJCREC resolved this by having then state committeeman Jon Woodard resign his position so Thrasher could take that post and be eligible to run for RPOF chairman.  At the meeting in which Thrasher was elected, the SJCREC conveniently cleaned their ranks of supposed “ineligible” members, which just happened to include RLC member Cliff Johnson.

Mr. Johnson was told that he had missed too many meetings and was therefore denied a voice and a vote in the Thrasher election. The situation escalated when the officers of the SJCEC could not provide proof that he failed to meet the attendance requirements. Mr. Johnson has since been able to prove his removal was done under false pretenses and the SJCREC had no choice but to reinstate him into his elected position as a Republican Precinct Committeeman.

While many of the details were never relayed regarding that meeting and the events surrounding Thrasher’s election, it should be noted that the RLC had contacted SJCREC Chairman Harlan Mason on the way to the meeting to confirm attendance. At that time Cliff Johnson and other RLC members were told they would be welcomed, only to be denied entry upon arriving.

The night of the State committeeman vote, I was told that only members were allowed in the meeting during the vote. However, this was not true, as various members of other RECs found themselves easily accepted into the room, and rather conveniently found jobs or titles that afforded them the luxury of breaking the same rule that was being used to keep Johnson, myself and other RLCer’s out of the meeting.

The events of that night led to a massive uproar and a great deal of name calling and slanderous statements regarding myself and the other RLCer’s that were present at that meeting. However, after several months of asking to see the records that the SJCREC had used to exclude Johnson, he was finally allowed to view them.

Simply viewing the records proved that he had in fact not been in violation of the SJCREC attendance requirement, and should not have been removed from his position (and subsequently denied his right to vote).

Thrasher easily won the election for RPOF chairman. While the RLC (and myself personally) have been vocal opponents of Senator Thrasher (since last year’s special election to fill the beloved Jim King’s seat), we were excited to hear Senator Thrasher’s acceptance speech. In his speech, he stated that his goal was to bring the party together. Soon after, Chairman Thrasher met with Will Pitts and John Stevens, promising to look at the grievances and rulings issued against them by Chairman Greer. He assured Pitts and Stevens he would look into the matter of reinstating them, as well as other members of the RPOF who had been purged during Greer’s time as chairman.

Fast-forward to the events of recent weeks. With Greer’s arrest, we have learned that nearly the entire administration of Chairman Greer has been corrupt from the beginning. The RLC feels wholly vindicated now that our calls for accountability have proven viable.  The RLC will continue to call for principles before party, even when powerful members of the executive committees oppose such a stance.

We (the RLC) have experienced severe opposition at various points over the past two years. (Including, the events that denied Johnson entry to the State Committeeman vote). We are encouraged that many rank and file Republicans are beginning to understand that the RLC has consistently stood for transparency and accountability, and has a now proven valid purpose.

We are all hoping that the Republican Party of Florida will see much brighter days ahead. We hope that, with the corruption finally exposed, our members that stood against it will be reinstated.

For now, we would like to use this time to again implore Chairman Thrasher to keep his word regarding looking into reinstating Stevens, Pitts and the other Republicans purges under the Chairmanship of Jim Greer.

(This editorial originally appeared in the July print edition of the Jacksonville Observer Monthly.  Pick one up today!)

38 Responses »

  1. I was at the convention in 08 and people were whispering about how long they thought it would take before Greer got busted. Anyone with half a brain and one working ear knew what was going on. No one said anything at the time because Florida was important, it was the middle of an election, the passive nature of crowd logic, etc.

  2. Where to start. As usual Kristi, you are fast, loose and very creative indeed with the facts. As to your assertion that the SJCREC had Woodard resign his position so Thrasher could assume that position and be eligible to run for Chair, you are, as usual, wrong. Jon Woodard agreed to do this all on his own. The board knew nothing of this until I saw the article in the paper and informed the rest of the Board.

    Second, as to your accusation that the Board of the SJC REC "conveniently" removed "supposed ineligible" members. As per our Constitution and Bylaws, we began that process in November. Letters were mailed to many members regarding their failure to comply with the minimum attendance requirements and warning them they were going to be removed. We finalized that process before anyone on this board even knew Jim Greer had resigned or that Jon Woodard would resign his position.

    Your further accusations regarding Cliff Johnson are only partially correct. Yes, we did discover an honest mistake that led us to re-instate Cliff Johnson. We did that because it was the right thing to do. He was sent a letter and did not respond. I assure you, we had an alternative and discussed it and took the course of action that we did. To his credit Cliff Johnson was a gentleman about it. John Stevens could learn from Cliff.

    Yes, Mr. Johnson, along with several other members that had suffered a removal of their voting rights were denied admission tot he session while the vote was held. It is in our Bylaws and Constitution that we can close the sessions for Executive session when circumstances warrant. This often occurs in voting situations as we need to be able to accurately count the votes. The session was closed to only voting members, Senator Thrasher, who is a member by Florida Statute anyway, Mrs. Thrasher and his staff. In the end the vote for Senator Thrasher was unanimous and the result of Cliff's negative vote would not have changed the end result.

    I know you are crushed that Will Pitts and John Stevens were not re-instated. Senator Thrasher did look into this and attorneys told him he could do nothing about it as the actions were done by the grievance committee according to the RPOF Constitution. To do so would be effecting a raw abuse of power along the same lines you accuse Jim Greer of committing against Messers Pitts and Stevens, although there was a committee process involved.

    You fail to tell anyone that in the recent quarterly meeting, an ally of the RLC convinced the Rules Committee to submit a motion to the full body to "review:" the expulsions. That motion passed the Rules committee and was taken to a vote before the entire State Executive Committee (268 members) That motion was defeated. By the way, I attended that Rules Committee meeting and Senator Thrasher expressed no opposition to that motion proceeding to the floor. So, to this moment and forever, those expulsions will remain in effect for Pitts and Stevens. Neither of them could be elected in the SJC REC based on their vile statements against the US Military and the State of Israel. You have free speech rights, but the Constitution does not guarantee you the right to not suffer the consequence of unpopular speech. There is also the right of free association. Alienating those you wish to associate with is not the smartest approach to obtaining your goals.

    So as you see, John Thrasher did what he was empowered to do under the Constitution of the RPOF, he acted in sympathy with your position but the members. who now (under Senator Thrashers leadership) have returned to running the affairs of the State Executive Committee voted to deny that motion. Unfortunately for Will Pitts and John Stevens, they have no friends among the body at large. Perhaps it is the recent, anti-semitic spew Will Pitts and John Stevens have been posting on their Facebook pages.

    Greer et al are gone and sanity is slowly returning to the party. Unfortunately, as is the usual circumstance, the RLC must continue its death roll fight with Republicans. But then you are not Republicans, lest you would be fighting Democrats instead of the RPOF and SJC REC. Or perhaps you might fight the fake Tea Party started by your compatriots Doug Gueztloe, Nick Eggoroff and Fred O'Neil founded so they could elect Liberal Democrats this year.

    You all over at the RLC continually bemoan your struggle in the wilderness. You have to at some point take responsibility for that. Your soul focus is the election of a man that will never, ever be elected President. You also support a man who was a registered Democrat 3 months ago as he stands against one of our most esteemed and effective legislators. You know what they say about insanity, it is doing the same think over and over expecting a different result.

    I am in great agreement with the RLC on several points. Unfortunately, you have all chosen to pursue those goals in the manner guaranteed to failure. Your irrelevance i all matters Republican is of your own choosing. as you see, I am never afraid to debate you. I applaud your passion as well as that of your leadership. Its just that your always wrong. There is much to repair in the GOP still. I welcome the help of anyone truly committed to restoring principle as the foundation of the GOP. I have to defer though to those I feel have a reasonable course of action that promises better results that what the RLC has been able to achieve with its approach.The firs step you may consider taking toward that end is to stop mis-characterizing every event you write about.

    Randy Covington

    • "As to your assertion that the SJCREC had Woodard resign his position so Thrasher could assume that position and be eligible to run for Chair, you are, as usual, wrong. Jon Woodard agreed to do this all on his own. The board knew nothing of this until I saw the article in the paper and informed the rest of the Board."

      Yes Randy, Jon Woodard agreed to do this all on his own.

      You don't have to like us but please don't insult people's intelligence.

    • "Letters were mailed to many members regarding their failure to comply with the minimum attendance requirements and warning them they were going to be removed."

      Strange how no letter was sent to the one member (Cliff Johnson) who was not permitted to attend the night of the Thrasher vote.

      Strange also that he just happened to be an active member of the RLC who wanted to voice opposition to Senator Thrasher.

      Strange also how it turns out that Mr. Johnson was actually eligible to attend that night.

      Amazing the lengths people will go to to defend the absolutely indefensible.

      • It was those Dick Chaney Ninja's John, I swear.

      • We said, he said John, Letters were sent. Since Cliff is a member of your leadership, I am sure he will hold to your position that he did not receive one. I assure you, we are not the super organized band of Darth Vaders you assert. Again, it becomes clear your intent that night was only to disrupt which you did. Sorry Cliff could not get in. It would have been interesting having him be the sole person in the room standing in opposition.

    • "I know you are crushed that Will Pitts and John Stevens were not re-instated. Senator Thrasher did look into this and attorneys told him he could do nothing about it as the actions were done by the grievance committee according to the RPOF Constitution. To do so would be effecting a raw abuse of power along the same lines you accuse Jim Greer of committing against Messers Pitts and Stevens, although there was a committee process involved."

      Ah so tell me Mr. Covington - why was I removed from my elected position as a Precinct Committeeman? Not the process by which it happened - just tell me specifically the reason(s) that I am forbidden by the RPOF to represent the Republicans in my precinct until 2013.

      Did I break any laws?

      Did I give money to Democrats?

      Was I arrested for money laundering?

      Was I arrested for fraud?

      Did I change political parties?

      Tell the people the BIG reason(s) why I was seen NOT fit to remain a part of the RPOF....

    • "I have read enough of Johns and Wills postings in many places to know their actions are injurious to the GOP."

      For example....

      • John, See Will Pitts post below. He has graciously posted some of the stuff he has been promoting, much of which he gets from leftists. When he spews this vile stuff and claims to be a Republican, it injures the party. Although, I am grateful that Will left off some of the more vile stuff I have seen him post in the last year about the US Military being guilty of murder (before any trial - as you will note in almost all of the instances a US MIlitary member has been so charged, the charges were either later dismissed or they were found not guilty).

      • Its really pathetic when Randy Covington refers to the press coverage and video of those brave US Navy men and their families, some of which are here from Jacksonville - who were gunned down and murdered by Israel in an attempt to pull the US into a war with Egypt as vile and thus attempts to discredit these sailors as leftists and in a backhanded approached praises the Israelis – and this is a good representation of the St. Johns County Republican Executive Committee?

        Its really pathetic when Israel for over 20 years ran a very successful spy operation that was uncovered by the FBI whereby most all of the military technology was stolen from the Pentagon and rather than condemn these actions Randy discredits the sources as leftist in a classic Israeli apologist style??? Even more pathetic….

        Randy it is people like you who are not only damaging to the Republican party but pose a real threat to our Constitutional Republic and the security of the United States of America – you hide behind the flag and your so called patriotism while trying to promote those who attacked and murdered our Navy men, spied on the United States, committed treason and sold our most sensitive military secrets - the more I hear of Covington and this twisted patriotism the more disgusted I am that these people represent the Republican Party in any manner -

  3. Sounds like a lot of GOP family issues coming out now.

  4. Randy ,

    I just dont understand how someone who claims to defend our troops can support these actions below. By extension not only do you side with a foreign nation over our own countrry and troops you and the other neo conservastives want to put our troops in harms way and to give US taxpayer money to support this and wnat to smaer those who want to put Americas interest 1st. Then for someone to point out these atrocities treason you want to smear them? You should attempt to gain a better understanding of the events occuring before parroting the neoconservative rhetoric. There are real people in NE Florida personally impacted by these events that do not appreciate a person in leadership in the Republican Party siding with a foreign nation over the murder of 34 of our Sailors.

    Israel Attacks USS Liberty - Murders 34 Navy Crew
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8237736398816742305&ei=OB_uSffOOoa6rwKAlbRm&q=uss+liberty

    Mullen warns against USS Liberty redux
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=65632&sectionid=3510203

    New revelations in attack on American spy ship
    Veterans, documents suggest U.S., Israel didn't tell full story of deadly '67 incident
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/newspaper/eedition/chi-liberty_tuesoct02,0,43090.story

    Florida Times Union : 40 years later, USS Liberty attack still hurts
    http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/060807/met_175558732.shtml

    USS Liberty attack tapes released
    http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/07/09/uss.liberty.tapes/

    The bloody Israeli sojourn in Gaza
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIr4lEIqTkM

    Israeli troops killed Gaza children carrying white flag, witnesses say
    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2009/01/27/60853/israeli-troops-killed-gaza-children.html

    Gaza under fire: Children found next to dead mothers
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/gaza-under-fire-children-found-next-to-dead-mothers-1242607.html

    The influence of AIPAC on US Foreign Policy -Documentary
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2894821400057137878

    One third of Gaza dead are children
    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/one-third-of-gaza-dead-are-children-14135438.html

    Dead Children In School Uniforms In Gaza City: A Nagging Thought About 'Collateral Damage'
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jesse-kornbluth/dead-children-in-school-u_b_153965.html

    Three children killed in Gaza Tuesday were just playing tag
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/idf-three-children-killed-in-gaza-tuesday-were-just-playing-tag-1.228570

    1/22/09 New evidence of Gaza child deaths
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/7843307.stm

    Israel admits harvesting organs without OK - Washington Times
    http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/dec/21/israel-admits-taking-organs-without-permission/

    Former CIA Officer: Israel Controls U.S. Government & Media
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVkjqrF00FM

    Evidence Emerging Israel was big reason for Iraq Invasion
    http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/02/08/i_dont_mean_to_say_i_told_you_so_but

    Whose War (Israel's war!)?
    http://www.amconmag.com/article/2003/mar/24/00007/
    The spies who pushed for war on Iraq | World news | The Guardian[/b]
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jul/17/iraq.usa

    7/8/10 Obama says US-Israeli bond 'unbreakable'
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/10532825.stm

    Half Members of US Congress Scramble to Express Allegiance to Israel in the First Day of AIPAC's Conference
    http://www.ccun.org/News/2010/March/23%20n/Half%20Members%20of%20US%20Congress%20Scramble%20to%20Express%20Allegiance%20to%20Israel%20in%20the%20First%20Day%20of%20AIPAC's%20Conference,%20March%2022,%202010.htm
    Fox News - Carl Cameron Reports on Israel Spy Ring
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6110095161238848541&ei=B9T7SYTUG6myqAPwzojzDA

    Spies sold design secrets to all U.S. nuclear weapons to Chinese[/b]
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/06/AR2009020603498.html

    For sale: West’s deadly nuclear secrets
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3137695.ece

    10/Israeli Pentagon Spy- Unlikely convicted spy Pollard will ever be released[/b]
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/862037.html

    Man, 84, Is Charged With Spying for Israel in 1980s[/b]
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/22/AR2008042202590.html
    US man 'gave secrets to Israel'[/b]
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7361446.stm

    Israel admits it spied on US[/b]
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/91260.stm

    Independent UK : Israel accused of selling US secrets to China[/b]
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/israel-accused-of-selling-us-secrets-to-china-1510406.html

    Ex-prosecutor: New arrest shows reach of 1980s spy ring[/b]
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-04-22-713307401_x.htm

    Pollard prosecutor Joseph E. DiGenova slams Israel, says Kadish arrest shows 'this was much larger espionage operation with sleeper cells in the United States than we understood or could have known at the time'
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3535251,00.html19/09

    The FBI today arrested an eminent space scientist, Stewart David Nozette, and charged him with espionage. He allegedly agreed to sell information about American nuclear weapons to an operative of Israel's Mossad -- only ...the agent turned out to be an uncover FBI agent."
    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2009/10/what-did-the-moon-scientist-want-to-tell-the-israelis-some-clues/28649/

    CNN- FBI looks at Pentagon worker in Israel spy probe
    Report: Suspect has ties to Wolfowitz, Feith[/b]
    http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/08/27/fbi.spy/

    Wider FBI Probe Of Pentagon Leaks Includes Chalabi[/b]
    FBI counterintelligence agents are investigating whether several Pentagon officials leaked classified information to Iraqi politician Ahmed Chalabi and the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, according to a law enforcement official and other people familiar with the case.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A57595-2004Sep2?language=printer

    Israeli Pentagon Spy- Unlikely convicted spy Pollard will ever be released[/b]
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/862037.html

    Man, 84, Is Charged With Spying for Israel in 1980s[/b]
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/22/AR2008042202590.html

    US man 'gave secrets to Israel'[/b]
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7361446.stm

    Israel admits it spied on US[/b]
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/91260.stm

    Independent UK : Israel accused of selling US secrets to China[/b]
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/israel-accused-of-selling-us-secrets-to-china-1510406.html

    Israel spying on America and Selling the US Military Secrets
    NY Times: AIPAC Traitor Trial to Offer Look at World of Information Trading[/b]
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/03/washington/03aipac.html?_r=4&sq=weissman&st=nyt&scp=1&adxnnlx=1204661468-cMqi89ycq54xuseTTjXzeA&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin

    Pro-Israel Lobby Weathers Espionage Allegations, Gains Support
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aqKsV0UlPXng&refer=us

    Ex-prosecutor: New arrest shows reach of 1980s spy ring[/b]
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-04-22-713307401_x.htm

    Pollard prosecutor Joseph E. DiGenova slams Israel, says Kadish arrest shows 'this was much larger espionage operation with sleeper cells in the United States than we understood or could have known at the time'[/b]
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3535251,00.html

    Israel asks US for more money
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2513159.stm

    The US Congress has approved 10-year, 30 billion dollar defense aid commitment to Israel[/b]
    http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i6vO2rX7Vx8EPICNmsAeIgpy2uEQ

  5. Randy,
    Several things are wrong with your statements:
    1.) The process was NOT followed. There was not a hearing or an attempt PER THE RPOF bylaws to reconcile differences against John Stevens and Will Pitts IN the LOCAL REC. As a matter of fact John Stevens and Will Pitts had not even MET their accuser before "standing trial" at the RPOF Grievance Committee hearing. (actually John Stevens has JUST met him, nearly a year later) Criminals are treated better than that...

    2.) Nearly ALL the "evidence" compiled against John Stevens was compiled BEFORE being voted in as a Precinct committee person, meaning that the loyalty oath was NOT in place, and is not applicable.

    3.) The Grievance Committee is always, as it is currently, and has always been, hand picked by the chairman, in this case Greer. Meaning that the committee went into the hearings with a bias, and now having confirmed that character of Greer, how confident are you that he did not have a hand in their final decision?

    4.) Will Pitts was never a precinct committee person, never under loyalty oath and therefore NOT EVER subject to the "Royal ruling" of the RPOF chairman.

    5.) How can Thrasher sign an agreement in a back room deal to get Greer out, before even being "Elected" Chairman of the RPOF, what authority did he have there? Funny how he is conveniently worried about "authority". Even though this would in effect right a wrong, done by someone we now are sure is not only unethical, but a criminal...

    6.) I must be confused, I thought Thrasher was supposed to clean up the mess Greer made, but he is just picking and choosing, as suits his needs, it has nothing to do with "authority".

    7.) Our suggestion was to reinstate them, and then allow the REAL process to take place, if you think the SJC REC and RPOF still needs to remove Stevens and Pitts. If you guys can actually come up with REAL evidence that John Stevens and Will Pitts should be thrown out, that is not conjectured and inapplicable (before the loyalty oath was in effect) then you can bring the grievance before the SJCREC and let the members decide if its needed and if so then it goes back to the RPOF grievance committee.. instead, of the "leadership" dictating who is beneficial to the membership or the Party (Since the PEOPLE are the Party, not just hand picked committee or board members)

    8.) I know that many in the REC's forget that they are to REPRESENT the people, it is not their job to dictate who is a problem, who to vote for, and even who is a viable candidate. I do not understand why the actual written process was not followed, if it was SO important to get these 2 men removed.

    The Republican Party is a bottom up, grassroots organization, like it or not. And throwing hard working, ethical, principled people out of it, instead of building coalitions, simply because you disagree or because they bother the leadership, is just one of the many things that perfectly frame what is and continues to be wrong with the RPOF.

    • So, Will Should get a lawyer and sue.

      • Or perhaps those within the organization who have character and integrity should work to correct the wrong.

      • "The Grievance Committee is always, as it is currently, and has always been, hand picked by the chairman, in this case Greer. Meaning that the committee went into the hearings with a bias, and now having confirmed that character of Greer, how confident are you that he did not have a hand in their final decision? "

        I have read enough of Johns and Wills postings in many places to know their actions are injurious to the GOP. I also do not beleive that everyone on the RPOF State Executive Committee is the Anti-Christ put here on the earth to deny Will Pitts and John Stevens their position in the party.

      • So then FOLLOW the process, if you are so justified in being upset that they hold views that you disagree with...
        Show some character and integrity... either admit that you can and will WORK with people, even if you do not agree 100%... and if you can't that you will still show enough character that you will FOLLOW THE RULES in removing someone.

  6. Randy-
    I would also like to point out how you like to attack the RLC and my personally, not my actual content, or the facts.
    YOUR Board (SJCREC) did in fact remove Cliff Johnson from the Thrasher State Committeeman vote and after the events of that night, you came on this very board and Call Myself, Cliff Johnson and John Stevens liars.

    Since it is now PROVEN that you were in the wrong, what kind of ethics does it show on the part of the SJCREC that no apology from you, specifically, for questioning MY character, was ever offered?

    When you publicly attack and ridicule someone, then its found you were in the wrong, the only way to actually restore those people and prove your own character credible, is to do so the way they were injured, which means publicly.

    As a matter of fact your cohort here, Jim Davis PROMISED a public apology when it was found that we were truthful, yet we have heard NOTHING from him...

    It does not matter if it was an honest mistake by the board of the SJCREC, you, as one of their board members choose to attack us publicly, call us out, to the point of possibly injuring our businesses and families in Jacksonville and St John's, so when its then found that YOU were wrong, a true person of character steps up and corrects the wrong...

    • We did, vis a vis Cliff Johnson. We let him speak at the May meeting as well.

      • You did (PERSONALLY) Only attack him... You attacked me, and John Stevens and we were IN THE RIGHT, by stating that Cliff was wrongly denied entrance.

      • "Let him speak"

        Let him speak?????

        That is the problem with the SJCREC leadership in a nutshell. Mr. Johnson is an elected member of the Executive Committee. He was elected by the Republican voters in his precinct to represent them. He has a voice equal to anyone else on that committee. He doesn't have to wait for you or anyone else to "Let him speak".

        Amazing...

  7. Randy,
    How confident are you that John Stevens and Will Pitts "have no friends in the body at large"?
    How many people are afraid IF they speak up, the leadership will do to them what they have done countless times before, and simply remove them?

    Lenny Curry, the chairman of the Duval REC will tell you that he has never had problems from the RLC.. how he appreciates our stand, even if he disagrees, and we are at EVERY meeting.

    NO other club in Duval OR St John's EVER has problems with RLC members.
    Seems to make it obvious who/what the common denominator is in causing these problems at the SJCREC meetings...

    I have talked to many of your members, who would never speak in disagreement, because while the leadership SHOULD represent THEM, they know that if they are viewed as a problem, SJC REC will simply marginalize and remove them... As they have done before.

  8. I would also like to state that this was written nearly a month ago, before the last RPOF quarterly meeting, I did not "fail" to tell the reader anything.

    In fact no facts, timelines or rules were discussed at the quarterly, since per the PROF Bylaws, there is NO APPEALS process, so even if some is wrongly removed, NOTHING can be done.

    Now unless the RPOF is 100% always correct, I find an extreme arrogance in that alone...

  9. This is entirely evident of why many Americans are not only fed up with the Dem's but with the Republicans too. Inner party bullshit politicking to push forward "your agenda" so that you can attain "power" or "win".
    Cutting the dissent (for right or wrong) is exactly what the dems are to in congress right now. In case you haven't figured it out yet. There is a marxist dictator in the Presidential office lieing to us daily and forcing the destruction of this country down our throats because people saw this stupid assinine behavior in the Republican party and chose the lesser of two evils.

    If you dumbasses dont get your rectal cranial disease under control he is going to maintain that seat for another 4 years and do it with a democratic congress.

    You need to demonstrate some integrity and ethics for a change and show that the republican party is not just the same ole corruption and a right wing slant. But a party of true values for everyone!!

    Grow up!

  10. You are just finding out about Republican arrogance?????

    Join the club. It's been like this for years.

  11. It's too bad you all can't get together and have a big barroom brawl!

  12. Yes John, a member does have to have the floor per Roberts Rules of Order -(you know the same Roberts Rules by which the RLC is governed) in order to speak to the members. Cliff Johnson asked for the floor to read his statement and the Board allowed him the privledge to make his statement regarding his removal. No attempt was made to stop him from speaking. He asked in the proper manner and we granted him the floor to make his statement. Where did we shut off his dissent? On the other hand when you came to the January meeting and "demanded" entry to an "Executive Session" which we declared as per our bylaws and then threatened an elder member of the REC, you were attempting to assert your rights over ours. Who was being despotic there?

    You are right that the REC's are declared in Statute. However, we are also granted authority to make rules to govern our operation and structure within the Statute. We have done so. You just happen to think they do not apply to you. If you have been denied your rights, there are courts for that sort of thing. As you aill note Cliff Johnson has been in attendance at the last 3 meetings and your leader of Political Activism, Robert Burgess has also been seated. as a PC. Where did we deny them their rights?

  13. "Where did we shut off his dissent?"

    The night you denied Cliff Johnson, an elected member of the Executive Committee, entry to the Executive Session.

    My demanding entry was an act of civil disobedience done in order to bring attention to the injustice of the Board - which I think I accomplished.

  14. To set the record straight, I had NO conversations with ANY REC members prior to offering to resign my position. I contacted Sen. Thrasher directly. Only two people knew of this prior to my call to Sen. Thrasher. Neither are on the St. Johns REC.

    Randy is correct that the media knew before he did. I called the REC Chairman and Vice Chairman after my conversation with Sen. Thrasher, but did not notify the rest of the Board until late the following day. By that time, the media was already calling me.

    Ms. Dunn's assertion that "harassment of RLC members" was taking place is absurd. I have the entire email trail between myself and Mr. Stevens on my computer for anyone to read. In these messages you can read what really took place and not the propaganda being spun in this article. Propaganda seems to be the preferred method for some to promote their organization.

    I will work with anyone willing to help the GOP cause, but I will not allow myself to be engaged in any more of the drama some seek to cause.

    • Jon,

      Please. The "harassment of RLC members" by the leadership of the SJCREC began on Day One and continues today. You know it and claiming neutrality doesn't change the facts. The behavior of that board has been nothing less than shameful. Like it or not you were a part of it.

      If you were truly interested in doing the right thing, you would have taken a strong stand and demanded that this nonsense stopped a long time ago. I have very little respect for fence sitters.

      Here is a question for you:

      Yes or No - IN YOUR OPINION - Should I have been removed from my elected position as a Republican Precinct Committeeman in St. Johns County? Yes or No without caveats.